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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 12:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@French-Spy: I agree with your analysis, but I think there are ways that the weakest (human) link can be strengthened. Unfortunately they&#039;re expensive.

Firstly to your point about detection thresholds and false positives, specifically thinking about airport security and terrorism: the trouble here is that terrorists are *incredibly* rare compared with the population of legitimate travellers. 99% of security guards manning airport x-ray machines will never come across one. Virtually every positive indication from the system (of machines and guards) will be a false positive, even if the false positive rate is vanishingly small.

Secondly, watching bags go through x-ray machines (or shoppers go through tag readers at shop exits) is a mind-numbingly boring job. After a while the brain starts to make efficiencies and basically stops paying attention - we subconsciously assume that the results will be constant, making false-negatives more likely.

So to summarise, minimum wage security guards watching something very dull, looking for something incredibly rare, are unlikely to succeed.

Now, as you rightly point out, a small degree of blanket screening is important. It helps to catch the &quot;idiot terrorists&quot;, and means that even smarter terrorists cannot *guarantee* they won&#039;t be detected. But pouring vast resources into the screening effort isn&#039;t smart - the limit of diminishing returns is rapidly met.

So what&#039;s the alternative? Well, I like Bruce Schneier&#039;s suggestion: take that extra money and invest it in training security officers to be extremely good at spotting &quot;out of the ordinary&quot; behaviour: nervousness, sweating, unusual interest in airport security aparatus. The training has to be good enough to eliminate profiling for race, gender and other stereotypes, but basically I think airports should employ experienced officers who can &#039;just tell&#039; when something doesn&#039;t add up.

The problem with this is, of course, cost. That&#039;s why the foreseeable future has us removing our shoes and slowly filing past bored-looking guards :-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@French-Spy: I agree with your analysis, but I think there are ways that the weakest (human) link can be strengthened. Unfortunately they&#8217;re expensive.</p>
<p>Firstly to your point about detection thresholds and false positives, specifically thinking about airport security and terrorism: the trouble here is that terrorists are *incredibly* rare compared with the population of legitimate travellers. 99% of security guards manning airport x-ray machines will never come across one. Virtually every positive indication from the system (of machines and guards) will be a false positive, even if the false positive rate is vanishingly small.</p>
<p>Secondly, watching bags go through x-ray machines (or shoppers go through tag readers at shop exits) is a mind-numbingly boring job. After a while the brain starts to make efficiencies and basically stops paying attention &#8211; we subconsciously assume that the results will be constant, making false-negatives more likely.</p>
<p>So to summarise, minimum wage security guards watching something very dull, looking for something incredibly rare, are unlikely to succeed.</p>
<p>Now, as you rightly point out, a small degree of blanket screening is important. It helps to catch the &#8220;idiot terrorists&#8221;, and means that even smarter terrorists cannot *guarantee* they won&#8217;t be detected. But pouring vast resources into the screening effort isn&#8217;t smart &#8211; the limit of diminishing returns is rapidly met.</p>
<p>So what&#8217;s the alternative? Well, I like Bruce Schneier&#8217;s suggestion: take that extra money and invest it in training security officers to be extremely good at spotting &#8220;out of the ordinary&#8221; behaviour: nervousness, sweating, unusual interest in airport security aparatus. The training has to be good enough to eliminate profiling for race, gender and other stereotypes, but basically I think airports should employ experienced officers who can &#8216;just tell&#8217; when something doesn&#8217;t add up.</p>
<p>The problem with this is, of course, cost. That&#8217;s why the foreseeable future has us removing our shoes and slowly filing past bored-looking guards <img src='http://www.richardskingdom.net/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: French-Spy</title>
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		<dc:creator>French-Spy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 16:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now, this is an interesting point.

Unfortunately (or fortunately, I&#039;ll come back to that later), people will always be a key link in any security system. Security systems vary in form and technology but they more or less always come back to comparing something to a threshold. Comparing a measure to a threshold induces, among other things, a probability of detection (i.e. true positive) as well as a probability of false alarm (i.e. false positive). Amazingly both physics and maths agree on the fact that the two are linked and that  you can&#039;t increase one without increasing the other.

That&#039;s where the human factor comes in the play: it&#039;s up to people to ultimately make the distinction between a correct detection and a false alarm. And one you think that what&#039;s at the end of the detection chain could be a weapon system, I am glad a person, as imperfect as we all are, has the final call before triggering any decision.

No doubt people are the weakest link in security  but what&#039;s the alternative? No security system? We live in a society where unfortunately it&#039;s not an option. I am not naive enough to think any security system will deliver absolute security but for one, I don&#039;t mind wasting a little time going through security checks at an airport knowing that, although it doesn&#039;t guarantee a terrorist free flight, it might deter some would be terrorists of trying to get on my flight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now, this is an interesting point.</p>
<p>Unfortunately (or fortunately, I&#8217;ll come back to that later), people will always be a key link in any security system. Security systems vary in form and technology but they more or less always come back to comparing something to a threshold. Comparing a measure to a threshold induces, among other things, a probability of detection (i.e. true positive) as well as a probability of false alarm (i.e. false positive). Amazingly both physics and maths agree on the fact that the two are linked and that  you can&#8217;t increase one without increasing the other.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s where the human factor comes in the play: it&#8217;s up to people to ultimately make the distinction between a correct detection and a false alarm. And one you think that what&#8217;s at the end of the detection chain could be a weapon system, I am glad a person, as imperfect as we all are, has the final call before triggering any decision.</p>
<p>No doubt people are the weakest link in security  but what&#8217;s the alternative? No security system? We live in a society where unfortunately it&#8217;s not an option. I am not naive enough to think any security system will deliver absolute security but for one, I don&#8217;t mind wasting a little time going through security checks at an airport knowing that, although it doesn&#8217;t guarantee a terrorist free flight, it might deter some would be terrorists of trying to get on my flight.</p>
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